You put it WHERE?

"Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing." (granfury) 04/19/2020 at 00:31 • Filed to: None

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I love these old films. The music, the narration, the people not used to being in front of cameras.

In so many ways asbestos seems like a great product. Just ignore that whole “lung disease slowly killing everyone” thing, will ya?

ttyymmnn > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/19/2020 at 00:41

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Did they know back then that it was deadly and used it anyway, or was asbestos thoroughly embedded in our lives by the time they realized that it was deadly?

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ttyymmnn 04/19/2020 at 00:46

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Well, the first cigarette filters were made out of asbestos, and this was apparently healthier than unfiltered cigarettes, so I have a feeling that there was a blissful ignorance coupled with no long-term data. There were probably some scientists that knew the risks but nobody listened to them since they were getting in the way of progress, just like it was known that lead in gasoline was a bad thing but it took decades to get that changed.

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 04/19/2020 at 00:50

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They knew, the health effects were known to some degree by the end of the 19th century, and were pretty well established by the 1920s and ‘30s. Its just that nothing much was done about it until the ‘70s and ‘80s. Partly because it was (and for some applications, still is) so damn useful and there weren’t practical  alternatives , partly because it was big business and there was a lot of money involved.

ranwhenparked > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/19/2020 at 00:59

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Not really, Philip Morris had charcoal  filtered cigarettes on the market in the 1930s. Lorillard’s Kent Micronite filters were the only ones that used asbestos, and were only sold for a few years in the ‘50s. 

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ranwhenparked 04/19/2020 at 01:00

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Thanks for that. I thought that information was a little off, but I was just too lazy to look it up right now...

ranwhenparked > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/19/2020 at 01:02

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Probably shouldn’t admit it publicly , but I do work in that industry

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ranwhenparked 04/19/2020 at 01:07

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With that level of knowledge off the top of your head I assumed so.

Now the big question - do you smoke?

ranwhenparked > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/19/2020 at 01:14

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Yes, but very occasionally and mostly cigars. We can get 2 free cartons a month if we want them, but I don’t bother, it can take m e 2 months to get through 1 pack. No freebies or  discounts on cigars, other than occasional samples at company events. 

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ranwhenparked 04/19/2020 at 01:32

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Oh, man, I miss my cigars. Nothing better than sitting out on the porch at a friend’s house on a warm summer night , a little music going  and a good bottle nearby. I still have a few around, and I’m tempted to fire one up with a glass of Bourbon or scotch, b ut having dealt with cancer last year I’ve testing my willpower and have been resisting...

ranwhenparked > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/19/2020 at 01:44

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Given the cancer situation, I would strongly advise you to continue to abstain.

Personally, the last cigar I smoked was about 3 weeks ago, and that was the first one in probably 5 or 6 months. I did have a cigarette mowing the lawn today, but that was the first one since before the bars were all closed down for coronavirus, so over a month. It was stale and burned like a fast fuse. 

wafflesnfalafel > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/19/2020 at 10:39

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I believe it wasn’t until the early 60's - medical study out of NY I believe with workers that used it, (shipyards, industrial plumbers, etc.)